Dena of Vancouver has kindly transcribed the Dec 08 2009 conference call by Rod Class. An initial transcript is available and volunteers are sought to help transcribe the most recent calls, notably Dec 11th 2009. Please log in to the wiki (where you can correct mistakes) or download the word document and correct that and mail it to blog@rayservers.com

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[snip]...I also filed the Letters of Marque and Reprisal (LOMAR) in to Provost Marshall, CID, Homeland Security under United States Coastguard, and to Bernie Thomas the Representative on the Committee on Homeland Security, as well as Homeland Security.... [snip]

By filing this in, we draw the line in the sand. We are showing them that we did try to go through proper channels. For those of you who do not know and do not understand what a LOMAR is, let me explain it.

A LOMAR is when you go to your Government and you are bringing forth evidence of corruption, wrong doing, malfeasance, maleficence, the whole nine yards, and you are going to them and asking them to correct the problem. If the Government refuses to do so, the LOMAR allows us to take these people out of office up to and including shooting them. This is what has been filed into the Provost Marshall-CID, Coastguard- Homeland Security, Bernie Thomas-- chairman on the Committee on Homeland Security and Homeland Security.

I have been asked: ”when are we going to use these (LOMAR ), when are we going to put these out?”. I have just now filed them, as of this week.

In the paperwork that we are now filing into the courts, part of the problem we are running into is that we do not have a legitimate system, and that is a key word: legitimate system. A lot of what we are filing is pointing out the corruption and should have worked. We are dealing with a surface problem and the paperwork we have put in should have cured the surface problem as well as some of the root problem. Through the years of research by people who are on the line and others, the Caffa accounts and the CUSIP numbers and the banking and IRS fraud, all of this, more and more knowledge is coming out.

What we are doing, coming into this court, is making the issue that we are not claiming that taxes are unconstitutional or constitutional, illegal or legal. We are not arguing whether they are right or wrong. The Constitution under Article 1, Sec. 8, clearly allows them to lay taxes on duties and exports. It also allows them to collect taxes for two years during a time of DECLARED WAR. We have been at war for 70 plus years. WW II was ‘declared’ and somewhat of Iraq has been ‘declared’. Everything else has been a policing action or a scam. By them invoking the War Powers Act for two years at time, this allowed them to come in and take taxes off of the American people and not just off of federal and state employees as found in Title 26, 6331, which deals with federal and state employees, those who are elected to office, and those who are appointed to a public position are required to pay the taxes, along with aliens and corporations.

We are addressing this in the paperwork. We are coming back in and showing them under Title 28, Chapter 176, under the Federal Debt Collection Act, it requires a US Marshal to serve any and all paperwork dealing with any debt collection such as taxes or mortgages – not an IRS agent giving you paperwork or putting in a Notice of Lien without signing it. A US Marshal has to do this. We are coming back under Procedural, under Title 28, which is judiciary, under the Judicial Procedure Manual, under Chapter 176. This goes in along with Title 26 of the IRS Code and the Code of Federal Regulations, which requires the Secretary of Treasury to serve Notice, and it to be given to a US Marshall. This is where we were making some of our mistakes, because we were not aware of this. I am now going back in and I am putting it into the paperwork.

I am addressing the fact that these judges, lawyers, IRS agents are educated in the law out of Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Stanford and other colleges that teach the law. These defendants, attorneys, judges have no excuse, as they are taught statutes, codes, congressional records, case law, procedures, supposedly in these colleges, because when they tell you that you have to hire an attorney, it is because he is educated in the law. We know differently; that is not the issue; I am not putting this up for debate. The bottom line is that I am coming back and making the issue that they went to these law colleges, and these attorneys and judges have law degrees. That means they are now educated in the law and they know that under Title 10, Uniform Code of Military Justice, Section 333 , when they fail or refuse to uphold federal and state statutes – when they fail to follow congressional guidelines, they are depriving you of your rights, immunities, privileges, as laid out within the Constitution and they can be charged.

I am bringing in Title 18, 1918 (disloyalty) and striking an attempt to overthrow a Constitutional form of government. We will go back in and show that the judge is covering up for the IRS, that they are suppressing Title 26, 6331 (which defines and designates who they are to tax) and Title 28 of the Judicial Procedure Act, under Chapter 176 of the Federal Debt Collection (which states that they are required to by law to use federal marshals), and that they are suppressing this in the courtrooms. When judges and lawyers conceal and suppress this, this is now interfering with federal statues, federal laws and state laws. They have now stepped outside of their jurisdiction. This is now disloyalty. This also now comes under Title 18, Chapter 115, under 2382 (misprision of treason) and 2383 (insurrection and rebellion), of trying to overthrow a government.

I am coming in to these courtrooms and putting in the very best on rules, procedures and guidelines on how they are to operate and what they are suppressing. I am not arguing whether it is constitutional or unconstitutional, legal or illegal, right or wrong. I am arguing the fact that they way they are collecting is based on fraud. We are coming back and in and exposing the federal funding fraud of these courts, of how they are misusing the federal funding. The moment they collect federal funding, they have to have more tax dollars, and this is a vicious cycle between the IRS and the court system of constantly raping the people for more money so that the courts can embezzle more federal funding.

Part of what is coming down, from what I am hearing, what I have been told by Janette, and I don’t know how much of this World Reports we can actually understand , how much of it is true or how much or it is not, but what is coming out of it is that the world leaders, especially China, are coming over to this country and they are demanding payment. They do not want promissory notes or Federal Reserve Notes because they are worthless. They want hard, cold stuff in their hands.

This is where property comes in. This is the issue. They are coming in and confiscating property and throwing people out because this was the deal that was made on the mortgages. We now know that the mortgages were based on fraud. Through our research, we know that all these properties have been paid for by our birth certificate or social security money and the Federal Reserve, as there is no money in this country (which goes back into Traficant’s argument). We know that there has been insurance paid on these mortgages, and that the insurance company has paid off. Therefore, the bank has collected twice; once from the insurance company (that we are not supposed to know about), and once from our money. They have collected twice and now we have the Chinese coming in wanting the land after it has been bought and paid for by the people.

I figured that this would be a very good time to file the Letters of Marque and Reprisal for the people. I have been asked: when, when, when. I have been sitting back and waiting for the most opportune time. I have had a conversation with a Provost Marshal from Virginia, which is the main headquarters. They explained that under the Posse Commitada they have restrictions of what they can do. I explained that under Congressional records, under Congressional authority, the Military has the authority to step in on the peoples’ behalf. We are going back in and bringing up the Patriot Act. I brought this up to them – that the Patriot Act is a Congressional Order, a Congressional Act, under HR3162, Section 800, for domestic terrorism. I reminded the Provost Marshal of her oath to the Constitution, to defend this country against foreign oppression as well as domestic oppression, which means our own system. I also reminded her that the Military has a standing order. Anything that is immoral or is unlawful, they do not have to follow, bringing it back into Title 10, 333, interfering with federal and state statutes by the United States or the state and the public officials. If they are interfering and they are not following the statutes, the Provost Marshal and the Military have the jurisdiction and the authority to move in and take them out.

I got into a slight conversation. She did not realize who she was talking to. She did not understand that I had more knowledge than she realized. I explained the rules of engagement. She understood the problem and that she will check into what I am talking about and get back with me at a later date.

This is where we are , what we are running up against and what we are doing. By me notifying Homeland Security, Provost Marshals and CID of the Private Attorney General and of the Letters of Marque and Reprisal, we are trying to show them that we are trying to go through proper channels. By breaking down the laws to them and bringing in their books, Congressional Records, we are showing them exact references. Hopefully, they will sit back and analyze this and look at this as ‘we are not the terrorists in this country’, we are the people who are trying to fix the problem.

I reminded them about Iraq on why they took out their government because their government was abusing the people and the people could not do anything. It took another country to come in and fix the problem. We don’t want another country to come in and fix our problem. We want our country to fix our own problem.

I offered them an opportunity to have me to sit with Military Officers. I reminded them that when we are doing a Court Marshall there is not a judge, but a Military Officer of high rank (an Admiral or a Captain) on the bench. These are not lawyers, these are everyday military officers, as well as who is sitting in the jury. I want to present my findings to the Military. I also notified them of the Talkshoe program and how to access the Talkshoe archives of the knowledge and education that we have on this program. I am wanting these people to understand that we are not the problem. Those who are sitting in office are abusing it. They are misusing it.

If it is an issue, and I am going to put this out – IF 2012 is an issue, I don’t care if they sit down and they are trying to fix the problem, knowing that there are only going to be a few people. I have a problem, and so do you, with judges and attorneys filling their pockets, knowing that this could be the issue and they are railroading us with a hee hee/haw haw. I don’t go along with this; it is wrong. Corruption is corruption.

I have just completed it and am about to file additional paperwork. Every document that we have used to sue these people has comes back in with the words that Judge Holman put in his Order: grammaralogically illogical; legally incomprehendible. We are going back and addressing that these are Congressional Records, Executive Orders, case laws, case cites. All of what they call grammarlogically illogical and legally incomprehendible was created by them. If their best defense is that the system is a fraud, then we have a major problem with them using this very system against American people when they are acknowledging that the system is a fraud when we are using it against them. You can’t have this both ways.

We are coming back in and showing that there is a conflict in law. We have gone in and addressed case law. They put theirs out; I come back in and put ours out. We are showing that there are two sides, a pro and a con, a for and against, arguments on every topic that they have. You can’t have two arguments, one for and one against, on one issue. They way they are getting away with this is when they are charging their own, they have case law that says they are not immune. When the people are charging them, now they have case law that says they are immune. You can’t have two case laws of total opposites on the same issue. This is conflict. This is part of what we are bringing forward.

I don’t know how much luck we are going to have by turning this over to Homeland Security. I am taking a very high risk on turning over these Letters of Marque and Reprisal to Homeland Security and to the Provost Marshall, but I did give them number for Rick Neil, Texas City FBI Agent, and William Garcia in Lakeland, Florida, who have validated the LOMAR . Rick has taken shown the LOMAR to his Legal Department and has told us we are sitting on something that is known as a hunting license. He has validated a lot of my brother’s and my paperwork, acknowledging the corruption. At that time, which was five years ago, Rick’s own attorneys asked who my brother and I are, because they said that information we handed them , that we are sitting on, is enough information to shut this country down. The problem they had at that time was that the people that they had to go to in order to get the enforcement were the very same people that were bringing charges against. We do have the FBI understanding very well that we are trying to go through proper channels and we are sitting on enough evidence of the corruption of our system.

This is one of the things that I was taught by the gentlemen that taught me. He never taught me to just cover the surface and scrape it off to give it a makeover and make it look pretty. I was taught to go after the root – the infection. It is like a boil; you can keep squeezing the top, but until you remove the seed that is causing the boil, you will keep having the boil. Through the years, a lot of what we have been taught was not wrong, it was good information if we were dealing with a legitimate system. We should have been able to come in and skim across the top, and they should have been able to say: okay, you are right. You may not have known exactly the law, but they would acknowledge that you were right and that we need to back up. Ladies and gentlemen, they stopped doing this a long time ago and we have been frustrated ever since then. No matter what we tried, we had some judges that were doing their jobs, but we do not have any consistency across this country.

We now have this case in Florida where they have been caught for millions upon millions of dollars of cases on the stock market. It has now been proven. There is starting to be a rollover on this. If we are having foreign dignitaries coming into this country and demanding payment, the house of cards is starting to crumble on their side. We need to be aware of this on our side. We need to be careful. When we starting filing our paperwork, we need to be very precise and exact and start going in after detail on these people, and start breaking it down like I did. Come back in under Title 28. Start showing IRS fraud where they are not connecting with US Marshals. Also use Title 26. They are not using the Secretary of Treasury in writing out the complaint. An IRS agent cannot serve notice to an employer, to a bank or to the court. It has to be a US Marshal, and they are leaving that out.

We need to start getting into more detail and start bringing it up when they start violating their position. This is disloyalty and this is overthrowing a constitutions form of government when they are not backing up the laws in the way they are written and are skipping part of it because it is inconvenient and there is money being made off of the people. Some of you are not able to do this and I understand that. It has taken me a while. I have been taught to be able to get into some of this, and once you have seen my paperwork, I don’t cut a whole lot of slack, especially now with what we are taking into DC. I am getting right down to the nitty gritty.

North Carolina has made the issue that the Federal Court has no jurisdiction over the state. I went in to the 1868 Reconstruction Act and pulled up the documentation that shows that every southern and every northern state had to sign an allegiance to the United States which is the District of Columbia. I pulled up the allegiance form and am putting it in that this is how DC has jurisdiction over these people and that these people are the 14^th Amendment citizens and not us ????????????

I am going into detail on my research. We are bringing in the C… Trust……Doctrine? ??????, the Erie Railroad vs Tompkins case, the United States Attorneys’ Manual, Title 42, 2000-D-7 , Civil Rights Violation, that any state that accepts federal funding or violates your civil rights forfeits their sovereignty. The moment they sign the 1868 , they forfeit their sovereignty and their immunity in any case, because they went under the federal government. I am coming back in and I am point this out to them.

We are getting into good detail on what we are doing and how we are doing it to them. They are NOT very happy with me. I really don’t care. I am trying to fix the problem for the many, not for the one. This is where some of the issues are coming in. I have people that I have talked to who say that I am going after too big of a chunk, that I need to back off, that need to go after just one little piece. That is the problem.

We keep going after a little piece. We need to address the issue. That is exactly what I am doing – I am addressing the issue. I am addressing the problem. For 30-some years we have dealt with the little piece. This is why we are where we are right now, because, technically, going after the surface should have fixed it. Because of the amount of federal funding fraud that is involved, that we are starting to discover and unravel, this is why we have to go after the BIG piece in this matter. We can no longer sit back and just worry about me and mine, and just take care of the surface problem while forgetting the rest. We have to address all of it. We have to go back in and PUSH all of it. We do not have a choice. That is exactly how I am looking at it and exactly how I am running this.

I wanted you people to understand and know what we are doing. I did file in the THREE Letters of Marque and Reprisal, 2003, 2007 and 2008. By doing this, I draw the line in the sand. I basically told them you have two choices. Here are the laws; here are the Congressional Records; here are the facts. Here is my authority from Congress as a Private Attorney General. Here is the authority from Congress, not once, not twice, but three times through a LOMAR that they granted. We are asking you (????????????Provost Marshal???????) to come in and take these people out of public office. OR, do what they are doing and keep breaking the law and keep pissing off the people.

This is what I have done this week – this is the update. This is what I want to convey at this moment. Homeland Security, Provost Marshal, United States Coastguard, will be served more than likely by tomorrow (Dec . 09, 2009). They will be notified with all of this paperwork and with the records, and with the records from the other side wherein they have acknowledged the war crimes and the hate crimes, and they are acknowledging that they have immunity no matter what they do. I think that was a very important document to include, in that they are claiming immunity, they are acknowledging all of the crimes, with a hee hee/haw haw that they have immunity, and that we cannot do anything about it. I think that Homeland Security should be aware of this. I think that Provost Marshals and CID should be aware of this. We need to start addressing this issue, and that is exactly what I am doing.

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